Episode 15

Avik Roy on Healthcare, Debt, and the Math Washington Won’t Touch

Is healthcare the real driver of the national debt crisis? Avik Roy joins The Puck to discuss one of the most important questions in American public policy. Roy, president of the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity, argues that the United States has built the worst of...

July 9, 2026
53 min

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Jim Baer

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Avik Roy on Healthcare, Debt, and the Math Washington Won’t Touch

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Episode Summary

Is healthcare the real driver of the national debt crisis? Avik Roy joins The Puck to discuss one of the most important questions in American public policy.

Roy, president of the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity, argues that the United States has built the worst of both worlds — neither a true free-market healthcare system nor a fiscally disciplined universal system. Instead, employer-sponsored insurance, Medicare, Medicaid, tax subsidies, and distorted incentives have created what he calls an “open bar” healthcare model where patients, providers, employers, and government rarely confront the real cost of care.

Jim and Avik discuss why healthcare costs are central to America’s rising deficits, how Federal Reserve policy and asset inflation have delayed the reckoning, why the Congressional Budget Office may be too optimistic, and why America may have no more than 20 years to get its fiscal house in order.

They also explore what a realistic reform path could look like: means-tested subsidies, more consumer choice, defined-contribution health benefits, catastrophic coverage, and a Swiss-style private universal coverage model built around competition and innovation.

This is a conversation about healthcare, debt, inflation, markets, politics, and whether Washington can act before a crisis forces its hand.